Members in attendance: Carl Rickershauser [NJSIAA State Rules Interpreter], Jim Casey [Central Meet Director], James Camburn [South Meet Director], Justine Cassavell [Coach-Voorhess], Steve Shaklee [Coach-Cherokee], Aaron Oldfield [Coach-Hopewell Valley], Len Pietrewicz [Coach-Randolph], Wayne Letwink [North II Meet Director], Lou Fraulo-North I Meet Director], and Don Danser [NJSIAA staff].

 

Date: November 30, 2010

Time:  9:30 am

Place: NJSIAA Office, Robbinsville, NJ

 

Correspondence

1.         E-mail from Martin Weir, a fan thanking NJSIAA for State Group Meets and Meet of Champions, calling them “the two greatest events in all of sports.”

Committee thanks Mr. Weir for his kind words. It was also noted that there were no negative correspondence regarding the conduct of the tournament itself.

 

2.         An e-mail from a parent was briefly discussed concerning whether or not the course was the hardened path or was it from “marker” to “marker.” The course is measured from marker to marker.

 

3.         Dan Fourney of Cinnaminson sent an e-mail asking for a different pattern for the races at the Group Meets [currently run two groups of one sex followed by the opposite sex of the same groups – for example Group I Boys, followed by Group IV Boys, followed by Group I Girls, followed by Group IV Girls] because coaches with both boys and girls in the competition, make it more difficult to see the awards of the boys which seems to take place while the girls of the same group are running.  He also would like to see the meets start later.

Committee felt that the schedule generally seems to work. Any of the suggested possible changes in the current pattern would increase the time the athletes ran and the time the award ceremonies would take place. That would make it more difficult to keep athletes and teams around for the ceremonies. However, the committee did agree that the Meet of Champions should start an hour later than the first two rounds. So the 2011 Meet of Champions will have a start time of 11:00 am, pending the approval of  Holmdel Park.

 

4.         Brendan Donegan of Roxbury proposed in an e-mail to change the qualifying rules from the current system of 3 teams per group + two wild cards to 2 teams per group + 8 wild cards.

            The committee admired the seven pages of support documentation that Coach Donegan submitted with his proposal, but felt, as in the past, it flies in the face of the 435 member schools’ philosophy that tournaments are based on GROUPS and that these Groups consist of member schools with about the same size student body.

In cross-country, as in most sports there are six groups, in other words, six tournaments that crown state champions. A tournament of champions is designed to showcase these six group champions. As it stands now, cross-country and track are the only sports that allow non-winners (through the wild cards) to advance to the Tournament of Champions. This is not the first time that this very proposal has been proposed. The last time it was sent to the Executive Committee it failed for the above reasons and more importantly because it would take away guaranteed spots from the smaller groups. Why not just have more wild cards? This also has been proposed many times in the past. For the Meet of Champions to increase the field to more than it is now (it averages about 175 runners in each race) at the present site would make the start even more hazardous than it is already. This is the first year that no reports of interference, collisions, falling, etc at the entrance into the wooded area about 350 meters from the starting line. Adding more runners will make this problem greater than it already is. Many also felt, that even if there were room and a better start, the field is large enough as it is.

 

5.         Nick Albnito, coach at Randolph proposed 3 other changes, in addition to supporting Coach Donegan’s proposal.: Move the starting line up 10 to 25 meters to open up a lot of space on the right side of the starting line.  Change the qualifying rules for individuals. Make it the top 25 to 30 who ran the fastest times of those who do not make it as teams (in other words, placing and winning a medal in a group race does not guarantee you a spot in the Meet of Champions, unless your individual time is in the top 25-30) and thirdly there should be a sectional for the Non-Publics because not having a sectional is a “huge advantage with training and rest for the group meet.”

Moving the starting line is not feasible. It would require that all the markers be moved. Not sure the park would go for that. Secondly, that would increase the problem of the quick narrowing of the course as discussed above even more. The present start should be 600-800 meters, not the current 300+ meters. The next proposal about individual qualifying is essentially the same problem with changing the team qualifiers. If an athlete wins a medal in Group 1 and is 9th, this proposal would take away is automatic bid. Finally, there were less than 20 teams in both groups in Non-Public A and B, boys and girls. Those numbers do not justify a sectional. It was pointed out that over 40 teams did participate in the Catholic Conference Meet in North Jersey and the South Jersey  Non-Public meet held the same weekend as the public schools sectional.

 

Changes in the Tournament Regulations

 

Page 1 -           Any athlete transferring into your school on or after October 15, 2011, will not be eligible to participate in any NJSIAA Championship Tournament in any fall sport.

 

                        70% Rule for Public Schools – October 19, 2011

 

                        Starting dates may change depending on the outcome of the voting at the NJSIAA Annual Meeting on December 6, 2010.

 

Page 2             Section Date: November 5, 2011

                        10:00 am Group I Girls                       11:40 am Group II Girls

                        10:25 am Group IV Girls                    12:05 pm Group III Girls

                        10:50 am Group I Boys                      12:30 pm Group II Boys

                        11:15 am Group IV Boys                   12:55 pm Group III Boys

 

Page 3             Lou Fraulo’s home phone: 873-859-0958 and cell 201-805-2078

 

Page 4             Jim Camburn’s e-mail: jctrack@comcast.net

 

Page 5             Group Meet Date: November 12, 2011

                        Non-Public 70% rule date October 26, 2011

                        Non- Public Entries  postmarked by October 26, 2011

                        Rosters due by October 26, 2011

                        Public School Entries postmarked by October 19, 2011

                        Rosters due by October 19, 2011

                        Latest rosters can be updated: October 26, 2011 Public Schools

                                                                        November 2, 2011 Non-Public Schools

Page 6             2011 National Federation Rules

                        Athletes transferring after October 16, 2011

 

Page 9             Group Meet Date November 12, 2011

                        10:00 am  Group 3 Girls         11:40 am Non-Public A Girls             1:20 pm Group IV Girls

                        10:25 am  Group 2 Girls         12:05 pm Non-Public B Girls             1:45 pm Group I Girls

                        10:50 am Group 3 Boys          12:30 pm Non-Public A Boys             2:10 pm Group IV Boys

                        11:15 am Group 2 Boys          12:55 pm Non-Public B Boys             2:35 pm Group I Boys

 

Page 10           Awards Ceremony approximate schedule

                        10:50 am  Group 3 Girls         12:30 am Non-Public A Girls             2:10 pm Group IV Girls

                        11:15 am  Group 2 Girls         12:55 pm Non-Public B Girls             2:35 pm Group I Girls

                        11:40 am Group 3 Boys          1:20 pm Non-Public A Boys               3:00 pm Group IV Boys

                        12:05 am Group 2 Boys          1:45 pm Non-Public B Boys               3:25 pm Group I Boys

 

                        State Championship (a.k.a. Meet of Champions) November 19, 2011

                        11:00 am Girls Championship Race

                        11:45 am Boys Championship Race

                        12:30 pm Awards Ceremony (Starting with Girls)

 

Page 11-15      Holmdel Park Regulations – changes tba

 

Page 16           Eliminate instructions on use of Hy-Tek to report rosters. In its place refer coaches who need instructions for the program to go to www.mctrack.org or lfracing.com.

 

Page 17           eliminate

 

Page 18           eliminate from the top of the page down to Note 1:

 

No other business took place.